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Post by churchfoys on Feb 25, 2019 22:54:54 GMT -5
Ohtani Edict
1. Dependent on the card designation, an Eligible Player who receives a pitching card is qualified to start and/or relieve .
2. Use his hitting card whenever he bats -- never a pitcher's hitting card.
3. Such a player can bat in the lineup if he suffers a pitching injury.
4. Such a player can not pitch if he suffers an injury while batting.
5. Such players must be identified and approved by a simple majority during the Owners Meeting.
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Post by knights15 on Mar 1, 2019 23:13:47 GMT -5
Ohtani has enough Plate Appearances to be hitter eligible.
Ohtani is not eligible to pitch according to our rules.
So at least for this season he should only be a hitter
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Post by knights15 on Mar 1, 2019 23:14:22 GMT -5
Ohtani has enough Plate Appearances to be hitter eligible.
Ohtani is not eligible to pitch according to our rules.
So at least for this season he should only be a hitter
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Post by conmen on Mar 2, 2019 19:31:46 GMT -5
Con Men specifically asked prior to last years draft if he was eligible to play both as long as he's a qualifying player. Answer was yes, otherwise we would have drafted Acuna.
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Post by churchfoys on Mar 3, 2019 0:13:53 GMT -5
Ohtani is a rare player (the first of his kind) who is ELIGIBLE to play in the BVL and who also has a pitching card. You can argue he already qualifies as a pitcher since he played in 40 games. He didn't "pitch" 100 innings but he did "appear" in 40 games, per BVL rules. This proposal aims to add clarification. Also -- MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL-- LES brass was told during last year's owners meeting if Ohtani qualifies as a batter he also qualifies as a pitcher.
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Post by knights15 on Mar 7, 2019 0:04:41 GMT -5
Ohtani does not meet requirement to be used as a pitcher.
For this season he should only be used as a hitter.
Also if Ohtani had required stats to be used as a pitcher but did not have 250 PA he should only use pitcher hitting card.
There needs to be specific wording on this as it affects the foundation of our rules for usage.
This should apply to any player that hits and pitches
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Post by churchfoys on Mar 7, 2019 2:26:05 GMT -5
Look at it this way: has Strat ever given an eligible pitcher a second card with a position (say, 1B)? No.
That's how rare Ohtani is: an eligible player WITH a pitching card. If he's eligible to hit, he's eligible to pitch. There's more:
Eligible pitchers can pinch hit, pinch run, and on rare occasions even play the field.
And let us not forget: the BVL has ALWAYS allowed position players WITHOUT A PITCHING CARD to pitch in games (see Jack Fisher Card). The big difference, Ohtani has a pitching card.
The BVL isn't based on usage.
Eligibility has ALWAYS won the day in the BVL.
Mr. Ohtani is eligible to appear in the BVL.
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Post by banksville on Mar 18, 2019 7:00:59 GMT -5
I vote yes on this concept, but the language about such a player's eligibility needs to be tightened. As Knights note, Ohtani is not pitcher eligible in the coming season, so he is still subject to our pitcher eligibility rules; however, just like any position player, there are circumstances in which he can pitch. In those cases, his pitcher card should be used instead of the Jack Fisher card.
However, I also agree with the view that if he was eligible as a pitcher, then his hitting card should be used despite it not being a qualifying hitting card. Look at it this way....NONE of the pitchers qualify as hitters right now, but we still use 8 different levels of pitcher hitting cards. While this is not complete individualization of pitcher hitting, it does allow some level of individualization even though all of the pitchers don't qualify. Allowing Ohtani to use his hitter card in this situation is actually a more accurate representation of his abilities, since his hitter card is based on may more at bats that a pitcher who might get a few fluke hits and get a 7N rating for one season. If Strat wanted to, they could do hitter cards for all pitchers; I have to think in that situation we'd use those pitcher hitting cards instead of defaulting to the generic ones.
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